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Patrick Stewart portrays Captain Jean-Luc Picard, the wise and courageous leader of the starship Enterprise.

Jonathan Frakes plays Commander William T. Riker, the strong and strategic second-in-command.

Brent Spiner embodies the curious and intelligent android, Lieutenant Commander Data.

LeVar Burton takes on the role of Lieutenant Commander Geordi La Forge, the skilled chief engineer known for his VISOR.

Michael Dorn portrays the honorable Klingon officer, Lieutenant Commander Worf, adding depth to the crew.

Gates McFadden plays Commander Beverly Crusher, the caring and capable ship's doctor.

Marina Sirtis steps into the role of Counselor Deanna Troi, using her empathic abilities to aid the crew emotionally.

James Cromwell portrays Dr. Zefram Cochrane, the visionary scientist who invents warp drive technology.

Alfre Woodard plays Lily Sloane, a strong-willed woman who finds herself unexpectedly involved in a crucial moment in Earth's history.

Alice Krige brings a chilling presence to the character of the Borg Queen, a powerful and enigmatic leader of the cybernetic race.

Neal McDonough takes on the role of Lieutenant Hawk, a dedicated officer serving aboard the Enterprise during a critical mission.

Dwight Schultz portrays Lieutenant Barclay, a nervous but capable technician who plays an important role in the crew's efforts.

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‘star trek’: the story of the ‘next generation’ crew’s greatest movie.

Jonathan Frakes, Brannon Braga, and more look back at 'Star Trek: First Contact' 20 years after the groundbreaking 1996 hit took 'Trek to new heights.

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'Star Trek: First Contact': The Story Behind The 1996 Classic

In 1996, Star Trek was at its apex.

On the small screen, Deep Space Nine and Voyager were carrying the Trek legacy — and on the big screen, the Next Generation crew was still in its prime, having delivered a hit movie with 1994’s Generations after ending a seven-season run at the height of its popularity.

But the Trek creative team longed for more. Longtime writers Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga weren’t completely satisfied with Generations — a film they wrote but that was saddled with mandates that saw Picard (Patrick Stewart) share top billing with original series captain James T. Kirk (William Shatner ). For their next project, the pair were determined to do right by the Next Generation crew, pitting them against their greatest nemesis , The Borg — a collective consciousness bent on assimilating all life in the galaxy — and creating of a time-travel narrative that examined the origins of Star Trek itself.

Jonathan Frakes (Commander Riker ) had proven himself to be a top-notch director on Next Generation , and was tapped to lead the crew of the Enterprise behind the camera for his debut feature. It proved to be a wise choice, with Frakes commanding respect and affection from the cast and crew and utilizing his TV director’s ability to make the budget look much bigger than it was.

When Star Trek: First Contact hit theaters 20 years ago on Nov. 22, 1996, it went on to earn $146 million worldwide against a $45 million budget — making it at the time the second-highest-grossing Trek film ever. It also would be considered a high point in Trek lore, with many fans arguing only Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan can top it.

“WE WANTED TO REDEEM OURSELVES”

1994’s Star Trek: Generations is still in theaters and screenwriters Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga are approached by producer Rick Berman about crafting a follow-up. The pair immediately agree — eager to get right what they feel they got wrong with the previous film.

Brannon Braga , screenwriter : When Generations came out, Kirk and Picard were on the cover of Time magazine and it’s like, “OK, how much bigger does it get?” But at the same time, Ron and I felt that we had made some missteps with Generations and we wanted to redeem ourselves and make a really great movie.

Ronald D. Moore, screenwriter : The big difference between First Contact and Generations was right at the start, there really wasn’t a list of things to do. There was no mandate. When we did Generations , there was literally a list of things that the movie had to accomplish. It had to be a transition from one cast to the other. You could only have the original series cast in the first 10 minutes. It had to have the Klingons in it, it had to have a big villain, it had to have time travel in it. It was all this stuff. With First Contact , it was really just, “OK, what do you want to do?” So the three of us worked on the story together, and I think Rick was interested in doing time travel and Brannon was interested in doing the Borg.

Braga : The first draft had Riker fighting the Borg on the ship and Picard down on the planet and everything was just backwards. Patrick Stewart, who had read that first draft, said, “Why am I not on the ship? I’m the one who got raped by this species.” We were like, “OK. Obviously he is correct.”

Moore : There were a lot of budgetary constraints. Even though the budget was obviously much bigger than your average episode was, it was still astonishing how quickly that got chewed up by visual effects budgets of the day. Paramount didn’t really spend a lot on those movies. We were reusing the sets and reusing old stuff. At the beginning, when the Enterprise comes in and the Borg are attacking Earth and there’s a huge fleet battle, that got way cut back. Likewise, a lot of the action that took place on board the Enterprise, you’ll note that we are still down to counting phaser bolts, which was such a pain in the ass, where we’re budgeting, “Well how many shots can the security guys take?” “Oh, it’s $10,000 a shot” and you’re negotiating with the production people.

Braga : There were a few “aha” moments. Definitely when we conceptualized the Borg Queen, because at an early stage we were realizing the Borg are zombies but they don’t talk and we wanted some depth. We wanted these villains to want to be understood. And the other “aha” moment for me was the idea that the hero to all of the people on the Enterprise, Zefram Cochrane, was a drunk asshole who is creating warp drive for all the wrong reasons and him realizing why he needs to do it because it’s going to change the world and I thought, if you could go back in time and meet one of your great heroes from history and they’re a jerk, it’s very shocking.

Jonathan Frakes , director and Commander Riker : Sherry Lansing, who ran Paramount at the time, said to Rick Berman, “I’ll leave this in your hands because you know this franchise.” First Contact was Star Trek 8 . Ridley Scott was not going to direct this movie. Spielberg was not going to direct this movie. The big action guys certainly were not interested in doing the eighth version of a Star Trek movie. So I threw my hat in the ring with the rest of them and I was blessed to get arguably the best job of my life.

“ GODMOMMY , I’M GOING TO DIRECT FIRST CONTACT “

The crew of the Enterprise welcomes three new additions — Alice Krige as the Borg Queen; James Cromwell as warp drive inventor Zefram Cochrane; and Alfre Woodard as Lily Sloan, Cochrane’s assistant — who would challenge Picard in ways no other character ever did.

Alfre Woodard, Lily Sloane: We are the same age, but I’m Jonathan Frakes ‘ godmommy . We were all young actors to Hollywood. We are like 22, and we would sit around and pool our money for chicken and beer and other things. It was a big gang of us and we would just crash at each other’s apartments. Besides silly and bawdy conversations with Jonathan, we also had poignant conversations, and I was talking about what my godmother meant to me. His eyes were moist and he said, “I don’t have a godmother.” I said, “Are you kidding?” Then he looked at me and said, “Will you be my godmommy ?”

Frakes : I think she’s one of our finest actresses, and Rick shares that feeling. When he found out I had a relationship with her, we just offered her the part. We had met with a number of movie stars and then it became clear that casting Alfre in that part, not only is she a great actor, she isn’t who you think of in an action-adventure-horror movie. She added a gravitas and she also could go head-to-head with Patrick. At the core of what makes the movie work is that wonderful scene in the conference room where she says, “You broke your little ships.” It’s brilliant.

Woodard : I got a call, and it might have been Jonathan saying “ Godmommy , I’m going to direct First Contact. ” I said, “Yes!” My godson was going to direct me. “Hell yeah.” Then I thought, I don’t know anything about this. I remember that first day on set, Jonathan said, “You’re from a different time anyway, so you won’t even know half the things — it will work, it will work.” That first day, I had to come through a Jefferies tube and I said, “Jonathan, who’s Jeffrey?” And he looked at me and he said, “Oh my god, what have I done?”

Frakes : Cromwell was also unlikely casting. That was the year he was up for Babe [for an Oscar nomination]. He was an actor that Rick and I had discussed because we thought it was quirky, interesting. He was appealing, he was absurd and he seemed intelligent. He felt like he could be a mad scientist.

Alice Krige , the Borg Queen : I just got sent three scenes by my agent and I said, “I’ll go in on this, but I need to see the script if they want to meet me.” She said, “No, you don’t understand. No one sees the script.” I had never seen an episode of Star Trek . So I ran over to a friend’s house, who had a whole lot of Star Trek episodes on tape. And I watched the Borg episodes. I did the audition for Jonathan and Rick and [casting director] Junie Lowry. In the course of doing those scenes for them, I suddenly kind of got her. I suddenly experienced the Borg Queen. I came out and I thought I had completely blown it. So I ran off the lot and found a payphone at a gas station and I called my agent and said, “I really, really messed that up. But I really, really want to do it. Would you ask them if I could come in again?” She phoned them and we didn’t hear anything for three weeks. I thought, “Oh well. Another one bites the dust.” And three weeks later they called and said, “Would you come in again please?” I went in and met the three of them again and, as I remember, as I left they made the offer.

Scott Wheeler, makeup artist : That character would not have worked without Alice playing the role. They were talking about Cher playing the role. And no offense to Cher, she’s had some great moments, but it would have been so gimmicky and I doubt she would have been willing to sit through the 4 1/2-hour makeup we were putting on Alice.

“THE BORG QUEEN WAS BORN”

The painstaking work of hundreds of movie artisans brings the film to life in an era when practical effects still ruled and CG was just coming on the scene. The Borg Queen is among the film’s crowning achievements under a team led by legendary makeup artist Michael Westmore .

Wheeler: Jake Garber and I basically redesigned the original TV version of the Borg. I always thought of them as this metaphor for technology destroying humanity, like Communism over free will, the collective being prioritized over the individual. It started to represent technology almost raping humanity and biology. The whole basis of the actual paint scheme was based on cadavers to represent death.

Frakes : All the Borg were on a different clock. There was an entirely different crew that showed up at 2:30 in the morning, their own set of ADs , their own set of and makeup artists, and Alice was part of that. So by the time we showed up at 6 or 6:30, they had already been there for four hours getting Borgified .

Jacob Garber, special makeup effects artist: We were the first ones there and the last ones gone. I don’t recall anything less than a 14-hour day. I ended up sneaking in a bunch of hidden messages in the Borg head pieces. I think I got about every makeup artist’s name in there somewhere. I snuck one in there that was Westmore’s House of Barbeque, I put me and a girl I was dating at the time in there.

Scott G.G. Haller , sound effects editor: It was a fun moment to be walking to lunch on the Paramount lot and seeing an extra in full Borg costume sitting on a chair outside of a sound stage, smoking a cigarette and reading a newspaper.

Wheeler: With the Borg Queen, the script had one simple description: hauntingly beautiful. I thought, “OK, why is she hauntingly beautiful?” Maybe the Borg needs a certain appeal. Maybe she’s hauntingly beautiful, because she’s sort of the seductress of the ideals that the Borg are supposed to represent. There was this beautiful face that is basically stretched over a biomechanical form. In the very front is a façade of beauty, and as you go further back and look at her, more and more you see the horror and the rot and the decay.

Krige : By the time it was all on and all done, quite simply, I felt like the Borg Queen. It was as if I had gone through a type of time warp or portal. By the time they put in the lenses, it was not me anymore. That was phenomenally helpful. And I always think of it as a collaborative performance, because you can’t think of the character separate from what she looked like.

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“Star Trek: First Contact” is one of the best of the eight “ Star Trek ” films: Certainly the best in its technical credits, and among the best in the ingenuity of its plot. I would rank it beside “ Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home ” (1986), the one where the fate of Earth depended on the song of the humpback whale. This time, in a screenplay that could have been confusing but moves confidently between different levels of the story, the crew of the Enterprise follows the evil Borgs back in time to the day before mankind made its first flight at warp speed.

That flight, in 2063, was monitored by an alien race, the Vulcans, who took it as evidence that man had developed to the point where it deserved to meet another race. But now the Borgs, starting from the 24th century, want to travel back through a temporal vortex (how I love the “Star Trek” jargon!), prevent the flight and rewrite history, this time with Borgs populating the Earth instead of humans.

The latest edition of the starship is the “Enterprise E” (and there are plenty of letters left in the alphabet, Capt. Picard notes ominously). It is patrolling deep space when it learns the Borgs are attacking Earth. The Enterprise is ordered to remain where it is--probably, Picard ( Patrick Stewart ) notes bitterly, because he was a prisoner of the Borgs some six years ago, and “a man who was captured and assimilated by the Borg is an unstable element.” These Borgs are an interesting race. They are part flesh, part computer, and they “assimilate” all the races they conquer into their collective mind, which organizes their society like a hive. There is even a queen ( Alice Krige ), although she is not fat and pampered like an ant or a termite, but lean, mean and a student of seduction. One of the movie's intriguing subplots involves Data ( Brent Spiner ), the Enterprise's android, who is captured and hooked up to a Borg assimilating machine--which fails, because it can't crack his digital defenses. Then the Queen tries some analog methods all her own.

The central plot takes place as the Enterprise follows a Borg ship back through time to Earth, which, the Trekkers are dismayed to learn, is now populated by Borgs. To turn history around again, they need to be sure man's first warp flight succeeds. Earth is recovering from World War III, and a brilliant inventor named Cochrane ( James Cromwell , the tall farmer from “ Babe ”) has adapted a missile for this historic flight.

He leads a commune that seems to be part hippie, part survivalist, and spends much of his time listing to rock 'n' roll and drinking, to the despair of his associate Lily ( Alfre Woodard ). These two do not believe the weird story they get from the starship crew, and at one point Lily nearly fries Picard with a stolen gun. (He: “Maximum setting! If you had fired, you would have vaporized me.” She: “It's my first ray gun.”) The plot moves deftly between preparations for the Earth launch, Data's assimilation tortures on the Borg ship, and a fight against a Borg landing party on the Enterprise, which Picard personally directs, overruling doubts expressed by his second-in-command, William Riker ( Jonathan Frakes ) and their own assimilated Klingon, Worf ( Michael Dorn ).

Some of the earlier “Star Trek” movies have been frankly clunky in the special-effects department; the first of the series came out in 1979 and looked pale in comparison to “Star Wars.” But this one benefits from the latest advances in f/x artistry, starting with its sensational opening shot, which begins so deep inside Picard's eyeball, it looks like a star-speckled spacescape and then pulling back to encompass an unimaginably vast Borg starship. I also admired the interiors of the Borg probe, and the peculiar makeup work creating the Borg Queen, who looks like no notion of sexy I have ever heard of, but inspires me to keep an open mind.

“Star Trek” movies are not so much about action and effects as they are about ideas and dialogue. I doubted the original Enterprise crew would ever retire because I didn't think they could stop talking long enough. Here the story gives us yet another intriguing test of the differences among humans, aliens and artificial intelligence. And the paradoxes of time travel are handled less murkily than sometimes in the past. (Although explain to me once again how the Earth could be populated with millions of Borgs who are expected to vanish--or never have been--if the Enterprise succeeds. Isn't there some sort of law of conservation of energy that requires their physical bodies to come from, or be disposed of, somewhere, somehow?) “STFC” was directed by Frakes, who did some of the “ST Next Generation” shows for television, and here achieves great energy and clarity. In all of the shuffling of timelines and plotlines, I always knew where we were. He also gets some genial humor out of Cromwell, as the inventor who never wanted fame but simply enough money to go off to a “tropical island with a lot of naked women.” And there is such intriguing chemistry between Picard and the Woodard character that I hope a way is found to bring her onboard in the next film. “Star Trek” movies in the past have occasionally gone where no movie had gone, or wanted to go, before. This one is on the right beam.

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Rated PG-13 For Some Sci-Fi Adventure Violence

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Alice Krige as Borg Queen

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Alfre Woodard as Lily Sloane

LeVar Burton as Geordi La Forge

Marina Sirtis as Deanna Troi

Jonathan Frakes as William Riker

Patrick Stewart as Jean-Luc Picard

Michael Dorn as Worf

Gates McFadden as Beverly Crusher

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The Borg travel back in time intent on preventing Earth's first contact with an alien species. Captain Picard and his crew pursue them to ensure that Zefram Cochrane makes his maiden flight reaching warp speed.
In the twenty-fourth century, the crew of the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-E has been ordered to patrol the Romulan Neutral Zone by the Federation to avoid interference with their battle against the insidious Borg. Witnessing the loss of the battle, Captain Jean-Luc Picard ignores orders and takes command of the fleet engaging the Borg. But the Borg plan to travel back into the twenty-first century through a vortex with the intention to stop Earth's first contact with an alien race (the Vulcans). Following the Borg sphere, Picard and his crew realize that they have taken over the Enterprise in order to carry out their mission. Their only chance to do away with the Borg and their seductive Queen is to make sure that Zefram Cochrane makes his famous faster-than-light travel to the stars. — Blazer346
The Borg have invaded Earth's galaxy, resulting in a battle with Star Fleet. The newly-commissioned USS Enterprise-E, commanded by Captain Jean-Luc Pickard, is ordered away from the action as Star Fleet command fear that Pickard's previous assimilation by the Borg will affect his judgement. Once it is clear that Star Fleet are losing the battle, Pickard disobeys orders and sets course for Earth, arriving in the nick of time. The Enterprise manages to save the Earth from destruction but it is soon apparent that the Borg do not intend to destroy Earth but change the course of its history. — grantss
It is the twenty-fourth century, and the Borg (cybernetic lifeforms) have spread across the galaxy with one sole purpose: to assimilate and conquer all races. Under the command of their seductive and sadistic Queen, the Borg are headed to Earth with a devious plan involving time travel to alter history. After an epic battle against the Borg, Captain Jean-Luc Picard and the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-E crew follow the Borg sphere back into the twenty-first century, and must battle the Borg Queen before she assimilates mankind. Meanwhile, Picard and his crew must make sure that Zefram Cochrane makes his famous warp flight, and makes Earth's first contact with an alien species (the Vulcans). — Robert Lynch <[email protected]>
Captain Jean-Luc Picard awakens from a nightmare in which he relived his assimilation by the cybernetic Borg six years earlier (previously shown in the two-part television episode "The Best of Both Worlds"). Starfleet informs him of a new Borg attack against Earth but orders the USS Enterprise-E to patrol the Romulan Neutral Zone so as to not introduce an "unstable element" to the fight. Learning that the fleet is losing the battle, the Enterprise crew disobeys orders and heads for Earth, where a single, damaged Borg Cube opposes a group of Starfleet vessels. The Enterprise arrives in time to save the crew of the USS Defiant which is being commanded by Lieutenant Commander Worf. After Picard hears Borg communications in his mind, he orders the fleet to concentrate its firepower on a seemingly non-vital section of the Borg ship. The Cube is destroyed after launching a smaller sphere ship towards the planet. The Enterprise pursues the sphere into a temporal vortex. Picard orders the Enterprise to follow it, and as they are enveloped in the vortex, the crew briefly glimpses an Earth populated entirely by Borg. Picard realizes that the Borg have used time travel to change the past. The Enterprise arrives in the past, on April 4, 2063, the day before humanity's first encounter with alien life after Zefram Cochrane's historic warp drive flight. The Borg sphere fires on the planet; realizing that the Borg are trying to prevent first contact, the Enterprise crew destroy the sphere and send an away team to the Montana site where Cochrane is building his ship, the Phoenix, to look for survivors. Picard sends Cochrane's assistant Lily Sloane to the Enterprise for medical attention, then returns to the ship and leaves Commander William Riker on Earth to make sure the Phoenix's flight proceeds as planned. The Enterprise crew sees Cochrane as a legend, but the real man is reluctant to assume his historical role. Borg survivors invade the Enterprise and begin to assimilate its crew and modify the ship. Picard and a team attempt to reach engineering to disable the Borg with its corrosive coolant, but the android Data is captured, and finds the queen of the Borg collective, who gains his trust by giving part of him human skin. A frightened Sloane seizes the captain, but he gains her trust, and they escape the Borg-infested area of the ship by creating a diversion in the Holodeck. Picard, Worf, and the ship's navigator, Lieutenant Hawk, stop the Borg from calling reinforcements with the deflector dish, but Hawk is assimilated. As the Borg continue to assimilate, Worf suggests destroying the ship, but Picard angrily calls him a coward and vows to continue the fight. Sloane confronts the captain and makes him realize he is acting irrationally due to his desire for revenge. Apologizing to Worf, Picard activates the ship's self-destruct. While the crew heads to escape pods, the captain stays behind to rescue Data. As Cochrane, Riker, and engineer Geordi La Forge prepare to activate the warp drive on the Phoenix, Picard confronts the Borg Queen and discovers she has grafted human skin onto Data, giving him an array of new sensations. She has presented this modification as a gift to the android, hoping to obtain his encryption codes to the Enterprise computer. Although Picard offers himself in Data's place, the android refuses to leave. He deactivates the self-destruct sequence and fires torpedoes at the Phoenix, but they miss, and the Queen realizes Data betrayed her. Data ruptures a coolant tank, and the corrosive gas dissolves the Borg's biological components. Cochrane completes his warp flight, and the next day, April 5, 2063, the crew watches as Vulcans, attracted by the Phoenix warp test, land and greet Cochrane. Having repaired history, the Enterprise crew returns to the 24th century.

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Star trek: discovery’s 4 number ones explained.

Star Trek: Discovery has had four different Number Ones over the course of its five seasons, including Captain Michael Burnham.

Star Trek: Discovery features a rotating cast of Captains and Number Ones, showcasing dynamic leadership changes throughout the series.
Characters like Saru, Burnham, Tilly, and new addition Rayner bring diverse personalities and skills to the USS Discovery crew.
The evolution of these key roles, from First Officer to Captain, demonstrates the growth and adaptability of each character over the seasons.

Just as Star Trek: Discovery has featured several different Captains of the USS Discovery throughout its five-season run, the show has also introduced four different Number Ones. Since its beginning, Discovery has been less of an ensemble show than previous Star Trek series, and the crew of the USS Discovery has been constantly shifting. Discovery tells the story of Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green), who has gone from being an accomplished First Officer to a notorious criminal to the Captain of Discovery. Burnham has filled the position of Number One more than once, and two of her best friends have also taken on that role.

Ambassador Saru (Doug Jones) and Lt. Sylvia Tilly (Mary Wiseman) have both served as First Officers of the USS Discovery, although their careers have since taken them in different directions. In Star Trek: Discovery season 4, the show found a dynamic that worked well, with Burnham as Captain and Saru as her First Officer. But Discovery can never go too long without shaking things up, and Callum Keith Rennie's Commander Rayner did just that when he joined the cast of Star Trek: Discovery season 5 . As Captain Burnham's newest Number One, Rayner has proven to be a great addition to Discovery's crew, despite (and also because of) his gruff, no-nonsense command style.

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4 commander/captain saru, under the command of captain gabriel lorca & captain michael burnham.

During the two-part premiere of Star Trek: Discovery, Saru was serving as the Chief Science Officer on the USS Shenzhou, under the command of Captain Philippa Georgiou (Michelle Yeoh). After Commander Burnham committed mutiny and Captain Georgiou was killed, Saru was promoted Commander and became First Officer on the USS Discovery, under the command of Captain Gabriel Lorca (Jason Isaacs) . Although Saru had not yet gained the confidence he would in later seasons of Star Trek: Discovery , he proved to be a capable and compassionate First Officer.

Saru took over command of the USS Discovery after Lorca was revealed to be from the Mirror Universe, and he shared "joint custody" of the ship with Captain Christopher Pike (Anson Mount) for most of Star Trek: Discovery season 2.

Saru commanded the USS Discovery for its journey to the 32nd century, and he was promoted to Captain. Saru later took time away from Starfleet to become a member of the village council on his homeworld of Kaminar. After the Dark Matter Anomaly destroyed Kwejian, Saru returned to Discovery as Captain Burnham's First Officer, retaining the rank of Captain but choosing to go by the designation Mr. Saru. As the first Kelpien in Starfleet, Saru had already made history , but in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, Saru accepted a position as a Federation Ambassador, adding another achievement to his impressive resume.

3 Commander Michael Burnham

Under the command of captain philippa georgiou & captain saru.

When Star Trek: Discovery began, Commander Burnham was serving as the First Officer on the USS Shenzhou, under the command of Captain Georgiou. After her subsequent mutiny, Burnham served six months in prison before transferring to the USS Discovery, where Captain Lorca assigned her as a Specialist in the science division. After Michael helped end the Federation/Klingon War, she was fully reinstated as a Commander and became Chief Science Officer on Discovery. At the end of Star Trek: Discovery season 2, Burnham wore the Red Angel suit to lead the USS Discovery into the 32nd century.

Michael Burnham was a fine First Officer (aside from the whole mutiny thing), but she truly excels at being a Starfleet Captain.

Captain Burnham arrived in the future a year before Discovery, but she later reconnected with her former crew and reluctantly accepted the role of Captain Saru's Number One. Michael served as First Officer throughout Star Trek: Discovery season 3, until she helped take the ship back from Osyraa (Janet Kidder), the leader of the Emerald Chain. Saru then suggested that Burnham take over as Captain , and Admiral Charles Vance (Oded Fehr) assigned Michael as Captain of the USS Discovery. Michael Burnham was a fine First Officer (aside from the whole mutiny thing), but she truly excels at being a Starfleet Captain.

With its time travel plot that saw Captain Burnham run into her past self, Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 4, "Face the Strange," illustrates just how far Michael has come since Discovery season 1.

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Under the command of captain saru & captain michael burnham.

Sylvia Tilly began her Star Trek: Discovery career as a cadet aboard the USS Discovery under the command of Captain Lorca. After the end of the Klingons' War with the Federation , Tilly was promoted to Ensign and was placed on the command track. She continued on this trajectory until Discovery traveled into the future. When Captain Saru demoted Burnham for insubordination, he asked Tilly to be his First Officer. Although she was initially reluctant to take the job, fearing others on the ship were better qualified, Tilly's fellow crew members assured her she was the right choice as Number One.

After Commander Burnham helped take the USS Discovery back from Osyraa and became Captain, Tilly remained First Officer and was promoted to Lt. junior grade. Tilly then began to question whether she wanted to remain on the command track, and spoke with Dr. Hugh Culber (Wilson Cruz) about ways she could step out of her comfort zone. Culber recommended Tilly for a mission that involved leading a group of young Starfleet cadets. Although the mission quickly turned dangerous, Tilly successfully coached the cadets through it, and she later accepted a teaching position at the recently reopened Starfleet Academy.

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1 commander rayner, under the command of captain michael burnham.

Callum Keith Rennie's Commander Rayner joined the cast of Star Trek: Discovery for its fifth and final season, and the gruff former Captain has proven to be a breath of fresh air. In Discovery's season 5 premiere, Rayner held the rank of Captain and commanded the USS Antares, but was asked to accept early retirement after making a questionable call during a Red Directive mission. Captain Burnham, however, asked Rayner to be her new First Officer after Saru accepted a position as a Federation Ambassador.

Commander Rayner has proven invaluable to Discovery's mission and remains a highlight of Star Trek: Discovery season 5.

As a Kellerun, Commander Rayner's personality contrasts sharply with the more optimistic crew of the USS Discovery, and his command style is very different from Burnham's. Rayner has struggled to relate to Discovery's crew members and adapt to Michael's command style , but his advice and knowledge have helped save the day on multiple occasions. As Discovery races against couriers Moll (Eve Harlow) and L'ak (Elias Toufexis) to find the Progenitors' treasure, Commander Rayner has proven invaluable to the mission and remains a highlight of Star Trek: Discovery season 5.

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Commander Rayner (Callum Keith Rennie) isn’t thrilled by this prospect, pointing out before she leaves that it’s too dangerous a mission for a captain to undertake. But Burnham disagrees that this is enough of a reason to stop her; it’s a nice reminder that this is a show and a character that originated in the time of James T. Kirk, a time when captains didn’t stay behind in the face of danger.

But it’s not only that, there’s something else going on. Burnham gives Rayner permission to be blunt, quoting a classic work on Rayner’s native Kellerun , The Ballad of Krull , asking him to “serve it without a crumb of ossekat .” (As far as made-up Star Trek idioms go, that’s a pretty good one.)

It’s also the beginning of a sudden and relentless onslaught of references to Rayner’s culture, but more on that later. What’s Rayner’s problem? He’s uncomfortable with the prospect of being left in command of a ship and crew that aren’t “his.” Welcome to being second in command, buddy.

Book and Burnham take off, heading into the wormhole and finding it to be an inhospitable place. They quickly drop out of communication range with Discovery , there’s ship debris everywhere, including the wreckage of Moll and L’ak’s ship…. and what’s that, the ISS Enterprise ?!

(A side note before we get too excited about that: what is the deal with all the empty space in the new shuttlecraft set, introduced in last season’s “All Is Possible”? The two pilot seats looked like they were crammed into the corner of a huge unfurnished room.)

Okay, Enterprise time. Burnham and Book rightly surmise that this is where Moll and L’ak must have escaped to and beam to the ship, which of course turns out to be a redress of the Strange New Worlds standing sets. A quick scan identifies that no one else is aboard — though the clue, which Moll and L’ak have found, does also have a lifesign, hmm — and that Moll and L’ak are holed up in sickbay. Burnham takes a few moments to ponder her visit to the Mirror Universe back in Season 1 and wonder what the alternate version of her half-brother Spock might have been like (bearded, for one).

And aside from some brief storytelling about Mirror Saru’s role as a rebel leader, that’s about it for the Terran Empire of it all. Star Trek: Discovery has spent plenty of time in and around the Mirror Universe already, and I personally don’t think they need to revisit it again. But introducing the ISS Enterprise — the ship that started it all with The Original Series ’ “Mirror, Mirror” — and then not doing anything momentous with it? Strange decision, and one that makes it ultimately feel more like this was a way for the show to get to reuse a set on the cheap than it does a materially significant addition to the episode.

In fact, in some ways it’s actually a detriment to the episode. If the action had been set on any other ship it would have been fine, but being on the ISS Enterprise I kept expecting something — like seeing Paul Wesley as Mirror Kirk slinking around, or finding Anson Mount camping it up as Mirror Pike in a personal log. If they’d set the action on a generic derelict ship, what we got wouldn’t have seemed like a let down. As it is though, I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop… and it simply never did.

Maybe in a subsequent episode, it’ll turn out that there’s an advantage in having an entire functional starship composed of atoms from another universe at Starfleet’s disposal — or to have a convenient collection of Constitution -class sets available for that Starfleet Academy show to borrow once in a while — but until that happens (if it even does) the use of the ISS Enterprise just seems like a name drop and a “We have to set the action somewhere , why not here?” instead of a significant use of the setting and the huge amount of lore and history that comes with it.

It’s like setting something aboard the Titanic without ever mentioning any icebergs.

As Burnham and Book make their way down to sickbay they do find evidence that the ship was being used in a way that seemed unusually gentle for a Terran Empire vessel: signs that children and families were aboard at one time, and that they were the kind of people sentimental enough to have keepsakes and favorite stuffed animals. But again, nothing about this seems like it needs the Mirror Universe connection. Ships of people trying to escape adversity are already a Star Trek staple.

Burnham and Book find Moll (Eve Harlow) and L’ak (Elias Toufexis) in sickbay, and after a valiant but ultimately unsuccessful attempt at getting them to surrender, everyone starts shooting. Moll and L’ak have a Breen blood bounty — an erigah — on their heads and surrender is simply not an option. During the firefight a lockdown is triggered, forcefields coming down that split the group into pairs: Burnham and L’ak stuck in sickbay, while Book and Moll able to go back to the bridge to try and reset sickbay.

Pairing off also gives Book the opportunity to continue his efforts to connect with Moll, and I have to say, I don’t think I’m a fan. Setting aside the portion of this that’s purely a strategic attempt to forge a connection with someone who is very to keen to kill him, my first reaction to the way Book talks to Moll about her father (and his mentor) was distaste.

I don’t think Book meant it this way, but the way he’s written in these scenes feels unpleasantly close to the “Well, he was a great guy to me , I never saw him do anything bad” response that’s sometimes made to accusations of misconduct. A person can be wonderful to some people in their life and terrible to others; both experiences are true for the people who received them, but they’re not mutually exclusive.

Book is preternaturally empathetic, and yet he doesn’t seem to see how continually assuring Moll that her father loved her is an act that’s both unwanted and actively painful for Moll to hear. I understand that Book is just trying to bring a sliver of comfort to Moll – but in the process he’s dismissing her own experiences of her father and his place in her life. Unless Moll asks him for this, it’s really none of Book’s business.

I suspect they’re setting up Moll’s character for a nice, cathartic arc where she comes to terms with her life, forgives her father, releases her past, whatever. And when that happens in real life that’s great — but it doesn’t always, and that’s okay too. If Moll never sees in her father the man Book saw in his mentor, it’s not a character failing. Discovery is really hammering home the theme of confronting one’s past in order to take control of one’s present and future, and I think it would be valuable if they included an example of a character learning to do the latter… without having to be okay with the former.

And to return to a question I posed in my review of “Under the Twin Moons,” I know Book is isolated and excruciatingly lonely after the destruction of Kweijan and his split with Michael, but the weight he’s placed on his relationship with Moll as “the closest thing he has to family” seems like he’s setting himself up for disappointment. Maybe I’m just a cynic, but this does not feel like a hopeful storyline to me. Not everyone wants to be family, and right now it doesn’t seem like Moll’s been given much of a choice in the matter — despite her frequent and very powerful explanations of why she’s not interested.

Clearly frustrated with Book’s topic of conversation and desperate to return to L’ak, Moll makes a reckless decision to brute-force a solution and overload some circuits. It works, and the forcefields in sickbay come down, but it also sends the Enterprise onto an unstoppable collision course with the too-small-to-pass-through and also going-to-be-closing-forever-soon wormhole. They’ve got eight minutes to figure this out.

Meanwhile aboard Discovery , we see Rayner’s struggles to interact with the crew. This thread could have gone so many different ways, Rayner seeming “too good” for a temporary command, him seeing this as his chance to do things “better” than Burnham or show how it’s “really done,” but instead the show takes the much more subtle and satisfying route: Rayner is deeply respectful of the captaincy, as a rank and a role, and really doesn’t want to step on Burnham’s authority.

He’s more than willing to disagree with her on command decisions , but he doesn’t question her command . And more personally, he doesn’t want his gruffness and lack of experience with this crew to cause problems. He’s trying, in his own Rayner way, and more importantly he’s succeeding — and, as we see as he shepherds the crew through figuring out how to communicate with and then rescue Book and Burnham, the crew does their part and meets him halfway.

Rayner is learning that he needs to tone down his temperament just enough that he doesn’t come across as an actual asshole to this crew, and the crew is learning that his gruffness isn’t a sign of disrespect but simply a desire to cut to the chase and get to direct, actionable information with a minimum of fluff. There are shades of Nimoy’s Spock or Voyager -era Seven of Nine here, but couched within a distinctly different temperament, and it’s fascinating to watch. I’d love to have seen him interacting with the crew of the Antares , where he presumably felt more comfortable.

The interpersonal stuff with Rayner and the crew is great; where Rayner’s thread feels distractingly like a box being checked is the explosion of “Rayner is a Kellerun!” being shouted from the bulkheads. I could practically hear the writers yelping out a panicked “Oh crap, we forgot to say what kind of alien Rayner is!”

Again, Discovery is back to its old self with the clunky, heavy-handed, and oddly paced character work. Rayner goes from having zero cultural touchstones to having about five in the span of the 15-20 minutes of screentime that his story gets this week. They’re good touchstones, don’t get me wrong — I’m skeptical of Kellerun citrus mash, I have to be honest, but I’d give it a try; not so sure about boiling a cake though — they’re just very present .

As with Rayner’s alienness, the frequent flashbacks throughout the episode to Moll and L’ak’s meeting and courtship feel like a “We forgot to explain this and now we’re trying to reference it!” correction. The content of the flashbacks is fine, there’s a lot of interesting Breen worldbuilding for a species that’s been mysterious from the start — and watching Moll and L’ak’s relationship grow from one of mutual convenience to one of true love is genuinely moving. But the way it’s woven into an episode that, again, feels like it’s composed of bits and pieces of storyline, makes it hard to shake the sense that I was watching a To Do list get checked off.

By the time the season is over it might be clear that there was simply no extra room to give a full episode over to Moll and L’ak’s meeting, or maybe an episode without any of the main cast wasn’t something they were willing or contractually able to do, but I would have loved if these flashbacks were pulled out and expanded into a full-length episode of their own. Some of the worldbuilding felt hasty to the point of hindering the emotional beats — at times I wondered if I’d forgotten a whole bunch of Breen lore and at others I was just trying to keep up with what was going on.

For example, my confusion about L’ak’s comment about having two faces, which Moll seemed to completely understand — “Duh, everyone knows the Breen have two faces” — was a distraction in the middle of an otherwise nice and significant moment. This is later clarified as the translucent face and the solid face, but again I was distracted from fully appreciating an interesting bit of Breen culture because I was busy applying what I’d just learned back to the previous scene.

The quickly (and maybe not totally clearly articulated notion) that Breen deliberately restrict themselves to their translucent form for reasons that are entirely to do with avoiding any perception of weakness is a potent if hasty bit of social commentary, and as I said I nearly didn’t catch it.

Whether holding the translucent form requires the armor for protection or the armor necessitates the translucent form — it seems like it would be more comfortable wearing that helmet all the time if you were the texture and consistency of lime jello — this is surely a metaphor for the increasingly rigid, isolating, and emotionally and sometimes physically unhealthy things men in certain circles feel they must do to be appropriately masculine. Seeing L’ak free himself from that rigidity is powerful.

With the forcefields in sickbay down, Burnham and L’ak immediately spring into action: Burnham trying to get the artifact from L’ak and L’ak simply trying to get away. They fight, and Burnham impressively proves she can hold her own against a Breen. When L’ak accidentally falls on his own blade, Burnham grabs the clue and speeds to the bridge where she manages to get a message to Rayner through some tractor beam trickery. The message? Another reference to that classic of Kellerun literature that gives Rayner the info he needs. Hey, did you know Rayner was a Kellerun?

The ISS Enterprise makes it through the wormhole, Moll and L’ak zip away in an escape pod, and it’s time to wrap things up. We head to Red’s for a quick but significant moment between Tilly (Mary Wiseman) and Culber (Wilson Cruz), as Tilly offers advice and an ear to a Culber who’s going through a quiet existential – maybe also spiritual? – crisis.

OBSERVATION LOUNGE

In addition to the dedication plaques on the bridge, the ISS Enterprise has an additional plaque in its transporter room — one which, despite recounting the heroism of rebel action hero Mirror Saru, still states “Long Live the Empire.”
The transporter room plaque is marked with “Stardate 32336.6,” which is about 9 years before the events of “Encounter at Farpoint.”
The plaque describes the fate of Mirror Spock, who was killed after instituting the reforms which later led to the fall of the Terran Empire (as described in DS9’s “Crossover”).

The full text of the ISS Enterprise transporter room plaque:

The new High Chancellor presented hope and justice as if they were natural to our world. His words, “The light of hope shines through even the darkest of nights” became our rallying cry. He spoke of reform, and changed many of us. But some saw this as weakness. They killed him, and we sought help from an unlikely ally: A Kelpien slave turned rebel leader. He spoke of visitors from another world… a near perfect mirror cast our darkness into light. With his aid we secured the Enterprise and stayed behind to continue his work. We bear scars from our escape, but our hope remains. May it carry us into a pristine, peaceful, and just future.

Not counting L’ak’s previous appearances this season, this episode marks the first time we have seen the Breen in live action since their involvement in the Dominion War in Deep Space Nine. (The species has appeared in Star Trek: Lower Decks three times.)
The 32nd century Breen wear updated encounter suits clearly based on the designs introduced in Deep Space Nine ; their digital speech is extremely faithful to the incomprehensible noises Breen soldiers have spoken in past appearances.
Given the fact that Moll appears to be just fine in the environment of the Breen ship, I guess Weyoun was right when he said the Breen homeworld was “quite comfortable” in “The Changing Face of Evil.”
When L’ak is stabbed he gently oozes some green goo — but as we learned in “In Purgatory’s Shadow,” Breen do not have traditional humanoid blood.

During his time in command of Discovery , Rayner never sits in the captain’s chair.
This episode closes with a dedication plaque that reads “In loving memory of our friend, Allan ‘Red’ Marceta”. Marceta was, I presume, the namesake for Discovery’s bar.
Someone aboard Discovery keeps a Cardassian vole as a pet. Going by Tilly’s reaction, and what we know from Deep Space Nine , this is not a good thing.
Linus (David Benjamin Tomlinson) plays a mean piano.
Owosekun and Detmer get the off-screen cherry assignment of flying the ISS Enterprise back to Federation Headquarters, alone. I’m thinking that’s going to inspire some fanfic…

We don’t learn what this week’s clue is, though we know there’s a blue vial tucked away inside it, but we do learn that the crew of the ISS Enterprise did indeed make it to our universe. The scientist responsible for hiding this particular clue there was one of them, a Dr. Cho, who eventually made it all the way to branch admiral.

They strove for something positive and succeeded against all odds. Hopefully Discovery will be able to do the same as they continue their pursuit of Moll, L’ak, and the Progenitors.

Star Trek: Discovery Season 5 returns with “Whistlespeak” on Thursday, May 2.

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Paramount Developing Second Star Trek Movie In Parallel With ‘Star Trek 4’

| January 10, 2024 | By: Anthony Pascale 205 comments so far

News broke this afternoon that Paramount Pictures is looking to expand the Star Trek universe on the big screen, putting another film into development with a new director and writer hired.

Another Star Trek movie!

According to Deadline (later confirmed by Variety and The Hollywood Reporter ), Paramount Pictures has another Star Trek feature film in development. Reports say the film “expands on the Star Trek universe.” J.J. Abrams is producing, and to direct they tapped Toby Haynes, who is nominated for an Emmy for Andor and is a Hugo winner for his work on Doctor Who . Deadline reports the Haynes Star Trek movie is “an origin story that takes place decades before” the 2009 Star Trek movie, so presumably also set in the Kelvin Universe, assuming it is set after the attack on the Kelvin . Seth Grahame-Smith ( The Lego Batman Movie , Beetlejuice 2 ) is writing the script.

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Toby Haynes and Seth Grahame-Smith (Getty/Deadline)

Star Trek 4 will be “final chapter”

According to both reports, the “Star Trek 4” follow-up to 2016’s Star Trek Beyond remains in “active development.” That film was originally set for a Christmas 2023 release but delays and disagreements over the script led to director Matt Shakman exiting the project in 2022. Deadline is now describing the Star Trek 4 project as “the final chapter in the main series.”

Deadline offers this background on the development of the new movie:

Though there hasn’t been a film since 2016’s Star Trek Beyond , the brand is still strong as its ever been with popular Paramount+ shows like Picard and Strange New Worlds , earning strong reviews and big ratings in the time since the last film bowed in theaters. Brian Robbins led-regime, saw an opportunity to build on that popularity with multiple films in development the same way the streamer had multiple shows going at once.

No details on production or a release date have been reported for the new movie or for Star Trek 4. It is unknown if this new Toby Haynes-helmed Star Trek movie has anything to do with the movie script Patrick Stewart talked about in a November 2023 interview released last week. However, a movie featuring Jean-Luc Picard (last seen in the 25th century of the Prime Universe) does not appear to fit with one set in the 23rd century of the Kelvin Universe.

This is a development story so stay tuned for updates.

Find more news on all the upcoming Trek movies at TrekMovie.com .

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Oh, Paramount, when will you learn that Star Trek is neither Marvel nor Star Wars? Make a little movie that’s mostly about the characters, make it with only a medium budget, and you might succeed.

IMO, Disney and Marvel Studios should be following your advice too since the MCU isn’t doing so well now either.

Honestly, the problem is Avengers: Endgame was aptly named. They had no where interesting to go after that which anyone cared about beyond Loki.

there are decades of marvel stories still to be told on screen and now they have mutants, FF, galactus and Dr doom to put in play

But they haven’t yet. We can see how Deadpool goes but the problem specifically in the movies is that X-men has already been done and they can’t get over losing Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. And X-men from FOX has never been nearly as successful as the MCU.

Even without adjusting for inflation, Logan and Days of Future Past rival a lot of Disney Marvel box office performances. There’s a huge audience for that franchise (and anecdotally, boy did I see a lot of film fans tossing aside concerns about the Disney-Fox merger just because it meant Kevin Feige could get X-Men back). Deadpool being such a big hit on its own complicates things, but now that they’ve embraced the messiness of a multiverse, who knows what will happen?

I feel like Logan sort of closed the book on the X-Men and I really don’t need to see anymore — and I don’t think I’m the only one who feels that way.

It doesn’t matter – they’re going to reboot it sooner than later, and hope the characters are more Batman than Superman with audiences. Deadpool 3 will be a big hit, but Marvel’s larger woes are as big an issue going forward as any waning interest in X-Men.

I agree with him — Kind of lost interest now myself

I agree about Endgame. I, personally, haven’t cared about a Marvel film since and have only watched a handful of them afterward.

Although, I will see Deadpool 3 just for the return of Wolverine.

Yep agreed. Deadpool is the first movie I will care about since endgame. Frankly losing Iron Man and Cap is like losing Kirk and Picard. Once they are gone, so is your franchise.

“dr strange and the multiverse of bad VFX and scarlet moron” was enough for me.

I agree 100%. Deadpool’s a different animal. It’s a comedy thing I like so I’ll still see that one — but that has nothing to do with me needing more from marvel… And I really don’t care all that much about seeing the wolverine again either — except for the comedy interaction with Deadpool

Avengers: Endgame didn’t feature Steed or Mrs. Peel so I passed.

People say this yet post Endgame Wandavision was a huge success, as was Loki and falcon and the winter soldier. Secret Invasion? spiderman No way home did over a billion dollars, dr strange performed very well as did GOTG3 and Blackpanther…. Thor performed modestly, only really Antman and The Marvels flopped

Ditching JJ would help with the movie. He’s the villain ruining franchises.

He produced Beyond and that was fine. When he doesn’t direct, it’s a different story.

That’s the thing tho, Beyond was “fine”. Compared to Into Darkness it looks like a brilliant movie but that wasn’t exactly hard given the competition. I liked Beyond for the way it honored Leonard Nimoy and the TOS crew but part that frankly I found the movie meh at best.

the problem isn’t direction it’s writing.

”Lens flares”
Abrams had no idea how to direct a Star Trek movie because he has no knowledge of it and he purposely let whatever happen *happen* because he didn’t care. He wasn’t just the director he was the producer and had a hand in everything,

I actually liked Beyond because it at least felt like a TOS movie and not Star Wars. But I’ve only watched it three times to this day. The story just felt like a bigger budget Insurrection but at least it was decent.

That’s the thing. It felt like a TOS episode to me and not like a real movie. Just IMHO of course. And stop destroying the Enterprise for the love of *********

It isn’t a case of him becoming the villain, he always was.

JJ’s name attached to these alone means I am not interested.

That’s sort of good for Trek fans in a weird way.

We’ve been saying Trek has a hard time in the market competing with the bigger franchises, but now the bigger franchises are having trouble competing with themselves.

I think that leaves an opening for Trek, assuming they can finally get their act together and get something to the production stage in time.

That’s the problem IMHO, with Abrams at the helm I have a hard time believing that will happen.

Just my opinion…..

The problem is that they won’t be making Star Trek. It will be action adventure but nothing more. Pass on both.

(Is that a word? Whatever)

Agreed. The very best Star Trek films are always character-driven. Hopefully this announcement has nothing to do with the reported script Patrick Stewart mentioned.

Agreed and I doubt it does. I bet anything the Stewart project is a P+ direct to streaming project. And nothing to do with Abrams

From your lips to the prophets’ ears …

Yuppers! Abrams hasn’t ever seemed like he was ever interested in anything TNG related anyways. I remember b4 ST 09 came out and he was asked which generation his movie would be and he said something like, there is only one that matters and that’s Kirks or something. I am misquoting but it was something like that,

I mean, he was making a TOS reboot at the time, so what’s he going to say? That he prefers TNG?

Well, I’m surer Paramount would have given him his choice of any crew to use. How do we know he didn’t just choose to use the TOS crew.

We don’t. Do we even know if the idea to reboot TOS came from Bad Robot or Paramount? Being much older than TNG, TOS certainly gave them an opportunity to radically upgrade stuff and make it “cool” for new audiences. Maybe, someone at Paramount was also still considering a TNG reunion so didn’t want to reboot that (yet).

To be fair…that could clearly be what they’re doing with this. Nothing about it says spectacle.

So agreed my friend

While I totally agree, they have recognized this to a degree. Section 31 and likely the Picard movie I’ll be mid budget movies direct to streaming.

For theatrical releases, it does make some sense to invest more money and make a bigger spectacle.

In what way has Paramount been treating Star Trek like its Marvel or Disney? Are we getting 3 Star Trek films a year, every year since JJ’s STAR TREK in 2009?

No. Paramount seems to be able to do one Star Trek film every 4-6 years on average; and it’s going on 8 years since the last one. hardly a Disney MARVEL style release schedule to date.

And as for Budget being the issue – the only Star Trek feature film to really bomb at the Box Office was Star Trek Nemesis, which had a mid-sized (for it’s day) $60 million budget.

So no the Budget isn’t the real issue here its first and foremost the writing, the fact that Paramount does have a system that can put a movie out when the interest is at its peak (they took 4 years to get a sequel out the ST2009 when 2 years would have been better); and oftentimes Paramount’s marketing department screws the pooch too.

I never get this argument, spend less to earn more right? But who goes to a movie theater to see a small low budget Star Trek movie, especially when there is tons of it on TV right now?

I go back and forth on whether any of the movies from TWOK through INS would have made much more money if they’d had slightly bigger budgets. Does spending a million more on the space battle for Generations get you that many more tickets or DVDs sold? Does a better VFX company and the Rock Man sequence make the difference in getting TFF to no longer be disappointment at the box office? I have no idea.

I do know that a cleanish slate (and a fun enough script and good casting) but especially the $150 million dollars in production value is what enticed millions more people to see the 2009 film than had seen any one of the previous films. We’ve established that $190 million is ridiculous as a budget for these films, but even with top quality VFX being cheaper now and clever scripting and production tricks you’d be hard pressed to argue the franchise should go back to sub-$100 million budgets. It’s not practical and it undermines the jobs of the marketing department by giving them less spectacle to promote.

Make a little movie that’s mostly about the characters, make it with only a medium budget

Instant fail.

Wrath of Khan disagrees with you but OK

I don’t know — Picard season 3 was kind of produced as you are recommending and that didn’t prevent it from being like Star Wars.

You could also say it stole from The Wrath of Kahn big time also. So what if the last two episodes stole from Star Wars, the previous eight were way too talky to be Star Wars. We could also go down the road that the Abrams movies felt more like Guardians of the Galaxy than Trek. The were 3 action movies with a lot of comedy.

Andor was great. If Toby Haynes can deliver a movie half the quality of that TV show we could be in for a treat.

Andor was very good, easily the best Disney live-action Star Wars series. But great? Nah. It meandered too much in the second half of the season. And it really should have been called “Resistance” or “Rise of the Rebellion” or something. There were whole episodes Andor himself was hardly in.

The second half of the season is when it hit its stride for me. Right when Haynes’ episodes started.

Andor was my favourite Star War followed by Rogue One.

Yay more prequels!

Exactly. Although I would like to see a movie or series about the Federation-Romulan Wars post-NX-01 pre-NCC-1701.

I’d love an animated show set in that time. A semi follow up to Enterprise with new and old characters. That’s my #1 fanfic Trek dream.

SAME. It would be amazing.

Omigosh that would be awesome!

Weird that I had just written a comment to that effect on a Facebook Trek site a couple of hours before the news broke!

It can’t be “set in the Kelvin universe” if it happens before Nero/Trek 2009. That’s a shared history before the divergence of the prime/kelvin universes. “That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works.” :)

It could theoretically take place between 2233 and 2258.

True. I stand corrected. :)

After Kelvin but before the main events of 2009’s film.

Kinda vague. I’m assuming this would be a young Pike or a Young Spock movie. Not sure where else there is to go with this.

I’m of the belief that Kelvin universe existed before Nero arrived and that it’s not a shared past. It’s just another alternate universe like the mirror one. I believe this because things were already different when Nero arrived:

The USS Kelvin is HUGE and has different technology. Khan, who was born hundreds of years before the Kelvin incident, is a white, British guy. I think there are more but I’d need to research it.

Wait I’m confused wasn’t it just always an alternative universe like the Mirror universe? How could white Khan be floating around for 300 years of it didn’t exist before then?

And why would the Kelvin just be there when the black hole formed? It’s JJ verse, trying to make sense of it is like trying to understand how cats think but this should just be a given it was always there.

Hi My friend. Yes it is an alternate universe. Both Bob Orci and Simon Pegg defined this. Although the red matter black whole created the Kelvin universe, the Kelvin Universe existed in its own reality since its own big bang. Than means before the Kelvin incident. It’s based on the idea of quantum mechanics or at least Orci’s understanding of it.

The whole concept of the Kelvin-verse is confusing. I see many articles calling it an altered timeline and others calling it an alternate universe. If it is confusing to fans, imagine how it is for the casual person who calls it “Star Track” and mentions “Dr. Spock” when the subject comes up.

Yep it is totally confusing and I can’t blame anyone. The thing I try to point out as an example is the mirror universe. It has existed since its own big bang. Some people like to point out the moment when Cochrane shot the Vulcans at first contact as the moment it “verged” but even that isn’t true if you look at the opening credits of the 2 part Enterprise Mirror episodes.

Kelvin is the same way. Sure the Universe was created in the Prime 24th century from the black hole, but people forget in different universes time works differently. And that’s a real life theory. Just because it is the 24th century in one universe does not mean you are creating that in the second. The Kelvin universe was born the moment in Prime universe the black hole was created but within it’s own time it started at the Big Bang and lasted from then till the 23rd century when Nero and Spock showed up. It could even be because in the time it took them to travel through the wormhole, that much time in the Kelvin-verse had past.

The casual person most likely doesn’t care how exactly Kelvin relates to what came before. To most people who’re not hardcore fans it’s probably simply a high-budget, slick reboot of an old entertainment property.

And unfortunately it’s the casual person’s money the studio is chasing now.

At least the fans still have the streaming productions and the past stuff that was created with them in mind as the primary demographic.

The movies could never succeed on Trek fans alone. They have always chased general audiences.

Completely agree.

It also throws everything streaming into a gray area (even PIC S03).

Agreed. I do believe that the black hole sent Nero and Spock back in time to the same parallel dimension, at two different points within that dimension. It never made sense to me that it would send Nero back in time within the same Prime ST Universe, and Spock back in time to a splinter timeline.

Also, the story of the USS Franklin just doesn’t quite fit with ST: Enterprise.

I think at one point in time, JJ, or someone on ST Beyond, said that Nero’s incursion changed the timeline going forward and backward (explaining the USS Franklin), which makes no sense at all.

according to the the writers and directors of beyond the kelvin timeline was always seperate and different from the prime verse and only certain personal histories were altered by the destruction of the kelvin and more was altered due to the destruction of Vulcan that is way Edison exists and the Franklin exists and was a maco ship to start with prior to the federation and there was a xindi war non of which happened or existed in the prime verse

I somewhat wonder if this will be a Franklin movie.

Yuppers exactly. Ther red matter black whole did create the Kelvin Universe but it existed since its own big bang. It is not an alternate skewed timeline of Prime. If it were ST Picard and Discovery S3 on would not be a thing.

Yes it can. The Kelvin universe is a universe, as you state, not an alternate timeline. It existed since its own big bang. It’s true it was created when Nero/Spock entered the black hole, but that black hole created an entirely new universe that existed from beginning to end. They had their own version of events that were not the same necessarily as the prime universe events prior to the Kelvin events.

Yuppity yup yup yup my friend!!! :)

Also, not holding my breath. Wolf has been cried many times. Like, many, many times at this point. When shooting begins, I’ll believe it.

I read that as “Worf” has been cried many times for some reason.

I agree we have been here many times now, but I still can’t help but to feel excited about the news.

I wish I had written that. :) Better turn of phrase. I am excited for any new Trek. I just have lost a lot of respect for the corporate cubicle climbing milquetoast talents at Paramount that come and go from the various executive roles since the canceling of Prodigy. It’s all temp execs at just another job that they will likely underwhelm in making calls that disrespect the cultural value that Trek has earned over the decades. They come and go, but Star Trek, and its connection the audiences’ hopes and aspirations, remains.

Paramount has a Trek movie in development could be a drinking game…..

Looks like mini-Phil also agrees

Star Trek movie false starts, how come Picard’s son has zero resemblance and what awards has LDS won — I think we have lots of fun material for that game! Lol

We’d all have alcohol poisoning by now

Sadly, I have to agree with you.

I agree completely. But 2 things are giving me pause. Giving the news as of late I have a sneaking suspicion there is already a merger deal in place with something like WBD that is a financial backer. 2, like the article says, the success of Trek on streaming gives them added incentive unlike the last attempts.

Don’t people get tired of entertainment vaporware? Ever hear of the boy who cried wolf? https://trekmovie.com/2018/04/25/breaking-paramount-ceo-confirms-two-star-trek-films-in-development/

I understand the cynicism but eventually one of these films will get made. It’s not a curse or anything, it’s just a series of bad luck. Something will punch through.

But the wolf eventually showed up

A white male director?! Awesome. It’s good that that group of people is not being disproportionately represented at all – and I’m one of them. All film directors have been men. Only one has not been a white guy. Seems odd that only white men have talent. Hmmmmm. No obvious, glaring bias here at all. Just a “coincidence” that’s not evidence of anything. Move along. This is not continued male and white supremacy at work creating a vision of the future that is supposed to represent the whole of humanity… but served up by white men almost exclusively on the big screen and with only recent small screen improvements.

Well maybe there would be more diversity if the current forced diversity was working (it’s not) you can’t force people to do something and then be surprised when it’s not that good.

I really don’t care who writes or directs as long as they truly care enough about what they are doing to write a smart story with good characters (aka the exact opposite of Discovery and Picard S1-2)

Oh, Americans and your identity politics. You lot won’t be happy till you have a 2nd civil war.

We don’t have it all figured out like the model UK has.

We already have one in case you haven’t noticed.

Oh, please, this is nothing like a civil war. It was far, far worse in the Vietnam era than it is now, and no one calls the late ’60s a “civil war”.

Jan 6th was nothing short of an attack by the American people on the United States Government. Whether it happened during Vietnam does not negate that.

But I haven’t seen the National Guard murdering protesters on college campuses lately.

Like I said, I am not comparing better or worse. Just that it was BAD and a literal attack by US citizens on the government of the United States. That’s Civil War, or at least the attempted start of one in my book.

I grew up on the ’70s — this is worse than that period for sure

The sclerotic thinking behind these projects also points to the global deterioration of the white male imagination. Navel-gazing rehashes of things their fathers and grandfathers built and they can only think to duplicate without heart or soul.

Appointing a Star Trek movie director is “white supremacy.” Gotcha.

Yeah, that was nutty

13 films. All male directors. Only one wasn’t a white guy. Seems odd that only one ethnicity/gender would get to direct… unless there was some sort of systemic racism/sexism giving white men a child’s booster seat at the table or a head start. Speaking of society at large. This is just a symptom. (Haven’t some of you actually watched Trek with its messages of social equality, or do you just think it’s about spaceships that go vroom in space?)

Who would you nominate to direct instead?

Lots of female and non-white directors are being given opportunities on the TV side, with Olatunde Osunsanmi being the top director for Disco and now Section 31. Hopefully some get to make the jump to theatrical features sooner than later, but the talent pool for diverse filmmakers with a good track record for helming big budget tentpoles is still shallow – it needs time to fill up. The most likely diverse and proven directors have very full dancecards now. Also, in Paramount’s defense, for every Jonathan Frakes and Leonard Nimoy they entrust with those responsibilities, there’s a William Shatner or Roberto Orci giving them second thoughts.

Knowing Paramount got as far as actually hiring S.J. Clarkson to direct a Kelvin film and the last director was an Asian man, perhaps we could tone down the accusatory tone a little. They’re obviously trying to do better, so it doesn’t really help to come in so hot. Haynes is talented as hell, that’s worth mentioning before lamenting his race and gender.

S. J. Clarkson

Pay attention!

Didn’t direct.

Too bad tho

Not because of anything she did. They did hire her, the project died in development hell.

Yeah exactly — they had her hired as the first female director for a Star Trek movie and the project died in development hell.

But they had hired her, so on this dude’s whiney point I am calling BS on — especially since we don’t even know if this new white guy will even direct a real movie anyway.

Like you know, this new guy’s actually going to direct a real Trek movie???

Not sure if you’re taking a stab a dry humor or sarcasm here. They did hire SJ Clarkson for one of the previous false starts. I have no idea if Jordon Peele or Greta Gerwig are available or not, but the reality in Hollywood is that if you put all the available directors in a room and threw in a rock, you’re going to hit a white male. I completely agree the industry needs more diversity, but it’s going to take time.

If it takes place decades before Star Trek (2009), could it be an Enterprise movie?

I’d love it if it were a Romulan Wars movie. But then I would want it to be the Prime universe.

I wonder if this is an attempt to get a movie made with Chris Hemsworth starring as George Kirk?

It’s possible, although we are about 15 years later in real time so I’m not sure if they want to do a movie where they have to de-age the lead for the whole movie.

What in the ever lasting HELL is Star Trek doing? “Set decades before the 2009 movie.” Do you know how time travel works? You bunch of morons. Unless it is AFTER the incursion that destroyed the Kelvin, its not a Kelvinverse movie because anything before it would be Prime.

And you SAY you’re still developing number 4 at the same time as whatever the hell this other one is? Whatever. Believe it when I see it.

Let me guess. Sir Patrick got a scripts the other day. Said scripts is gonna have Picard interact with Kelvin folks and either make it where that timeline never happened or………….oooooooo I got it. Because we can never drop the Borg. People from the Kelvinverse will go seek out Picard after the Kelvinborg are discovered.

They’ll go recruit Picard from his timeline to fight the Borg. Oh, and this time the Borg queen will be a hottie with a big bust cuz Kelvinverse.

Halfway through your post you just started yelling at people for your own bad fanfic.

Calm down, kid.

Whoever’s writing these pieces isn’t going to be fully familiar with Star Trek lore inside out. ST09 is the most popular recent reference point for most casual audiences.

Do YOU know how time travel works? Nero’s incursion was in 2233, the bulk of the 2009 film took place in 2258. That’s 25 years later (two and a half decades). So a film taking place decades before the 2009 movie is likely to be set right after the incursion, literally the origin point of the Kevin Universe. Seems like the perfect time to set an origin story. I’m not going to argue about whether or not a film that hasn’t been made yet and we know next to nothing about is going to be good or bad, but you’re so desperate to have something to complain about that you can’t even get the facts in your own argument straight.

Do you know what you are talking about? Both Bob Orci and Simon Pegg confirmed YEARS AGO that Kelvin is it’s own universe and not its own timeline. Yes, the red matter created Kelvin but it is NOT an alternate timeline. If it were Star Trek Picard and Discovery Season 3 and Beyond would not have happened in the PRIME UNIVERSE!

I think Pegg stated it was a different universe (bc of all the hoo-hah about kelvin sulu being gay but takei saying his version of sulu wasnt gay), Orci had previously said it was a new separate timeline (obviously existing in parallel to the prime timeline) created due to the Narada incursion and anything before that was the Primeverse.

Orci’s is the correct explanation

IIRC both had stated different universe due to quantum mechanics of a wormhole creating a new universe when matter goes through it which is actually a real scientific theory which obv no one can prove of course.

Switch to decaf, Raun, you sound like a shouty old man/nerd. Not saying I entirely disagree, but do calm down.

Borg Queen will be 7/9 then :D

It would kind of make sense for there to be a movie crossover (for 60th) with Picard/TNG and kelvin cast (Generations II) as it would mirror the end of TNG/Generations in 1994.. bringing together the biggest Trek crews/casts probably taking on the kelvin borg for maximum box office potential (250m ww.. j/k) and the multiverse/legacy movies with old actors all trendy now (except The Flash)

Alternate headline: “Paramount announces another Star Trek movie that it will never make; hires director and screenwriter to develop it to movie hell”

I would follow Toby Haynes into a sleazy Klingon pub. Fight me. Because Andor was real.

Haynes also helmed 5 of my favorite Doctor Who episodes and the USS Callister episode of Black Mirror. Great talent.

Great!!! They’ll send someone back in time to before Star Trek: Enterprise. Wipe away the entire franchise so they can start “fresh”!!! SMFH!!!

So how can this film take place in the Kelvin universe if the events that triggered the Kelvin universe haven’t happened yet? 😁

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again right now: Their dogged insistence on time travel being the creator of the Kelvin timeline only leads to MORE having to explain things away.

Kelvin/prequel personal thoughts aside…if this comes out in 2024 (which it won’t) 8 years after Beyond, can we expect the same elevated level of visual improvement and bombasity we saw from Nemesis (2002) to Star Trek (2009)? Radom thought for discussion

Considering that post-production for a movie like this takes upwards of a year and they haven’t even started writing it, a 2026 release is much more likely, assuming it happens at all, which it won’t.

Agreed. I have no faith in any Trek project outside of P+

I wasn’t aware it was April’s fools day. Its Jan 10th 2024.

I am of three minds on this. 1) I would like them to get a real finale for the Kelvin-verse so we can finally say good bye to it. 2) I am tired of them not developing something in the Prime universe. 3) I am really tired of them announcing movies that never go anywhere.

From what I have read so far, here and other sites, it isn’t clear if this movie is in the Prime or Kelvin universe. Only that it takes place decades before the 2009 movie. If it is before the Nero incursion then it should be in the Prime timeline.

Well they are developing in the prime universe, just not in the movies. Nemesis screwed everything up so bad that they gave up on it except for streaming. But I was hoping the success of Picard and SNW would put Prime back in the movies. I guess not. Frankly I don’t even need an end to Kelvin. Just let it die already.

This is adorable.

Not to be a naysayer, but I’m taking this with a grain of salt at the present time. And, another prequel, super.

This project sounds suspiciously like a revival of the Jendresen movie about the Romulan war.

That’s not the *worst* idea for a prequel — it’s probably more interesting than what we got with Discovery. But at the end of the day, do we really need yet another prequel?

Nope. Prequels (with the exception of SNW) suck

While SNW is technically a prequel, I view it more as a reboot.

Well I guess ever since that 2024 Khan ep it kinda is,

Enterprise could have been a great show, though. The premise of “birth of the Federation” had a huge amount of potential. What we got instead was two seasons of mostly rejected Voyager scripts and then a season-long 9/11-inspired war arc, and then finally some ‘birth of the Federation’ stuff in the last season when about 47 people were still watching.

I agree with you. But I didn’t want a retread of yet another ship with yet another crew. I wish we had gotten much more of a “For all mankind” kind of show where we see the birth of Starfleet by Humanity struggling to make it out into the galaxy with the first WARP drive and failing at first.

The original premise of Enterprise did have the whole first season on earth about the politics and such.

The Star Trek brand is popular as ever? It absolutely is… Largely among us old timer fans that is. Many casual TV audiences, especially those who only have Netflix, are still not even aware of the current shows out there. Seriously, just chat with any non-Trek fan who is a TV watcher and find out how much they actually know/care about the franchise or any of the new shows on the go. I also haven’t seen the expected deluge of new fans praising the shows and recommending that their friends jump on board too.

I said this before as well and recently a week ago in another thread. No one I know knows any of these shows exist, mostly because none of them have Paramount+ or care about Star Trek.

I’m on Facebook every week discussing Picard, SNW, Discovery and so on and almost every single member in that group have all been fans since the 90s. Some even since the 7Os and 80s. Not a single one became a fan due to any of the new shows. One became a fan due to JJ verse at least but that’s because his dad was already a Trekkie growing up on TNG and took him to see it when he was 12.

It’s very weird to me because I didn’t become a fan until Voyager started and was around 18 at the time but met other people like me who was green on Trek until the 90s when they became teenagers or of age too. I don’t see any teenagers talking about these new Trek shows today.

That’s why I’ve decided Prodigy being on Netflix is a good thing. P+ is way too weak of a service to carry a franchise like Star Trek.

I love Prodigy, but I suspect it’s mostly popular with old Voyager fans like me and not the demographic it was created for.

I wish all of the shows would return to Netflix.

Definitely agree. Prodigy has way more exposure now no matter what. P+ is becoming the UPN of streaming and probably won’t last half as long if they sell it.

old time (but young) fan here. Very big fan and I know of the new series, I’ve watched most of them and found them very lackluster… I have no reason to praise or pass on the new shows, I do still talk about and recommend the older ones.

Sweet! Another couple of movies to add to: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Undeveloped_Star_Trek_projects

Woooaah now Paramount is not developing one but TWO Star Trek movies at the same time??

Amazing, this is 2018 all over again! 😂😂😂

Bruh what is WRONG with these people? Of course we are all so positive about it since we saw how great the last movie that was released a month ago.

Oh wait. 😆🙄

And more JJ verse and prequels? Eh, really don’t care. Buuut if one of them involves Picard from the script Stewart mentioned then I can pretend to care?

Whatever we can’t go a year without another movie ‘announcement’.Was JJ there to reveal it at another shareholder event too?

Totally dude. Kelvin? No thanks. I’ll stay home. And I’m not even sure I’d be interested on P+ at this point. Let it die already.

I don’t know why they just won’t let it die?? And look I’ll play fair and be nice and say I understand there are people that like those movies and want more. But at some point when you keep cancelling and delaying the same movie over and over for seven years now, Paramount is making it clear they have no faith in this movie or they would’ve made it already. 🙄

And what’s hilarious when I saw the headline they got a new director for the Star Trek movie I thought it was for that one. You know the one they announced three years ago and keep saying they want to make but haven’t replaced the last director who bounced over a year ago? Now they got this new guy for another movie entirely. That’s probably the one Stewart is tied to if he’s really in it.

I guess it’s announced it’s the final one because they already know the next movie, if it ever gets made is probably not going to be a huge hit. They probably just hope it does better than Beyond but I bet it’s going to do worse since only Trekkies even care about them at this point and half them don’t even care anymore.

I gotta be honest with you. I gave up with this idea when I saw “JJ”. He buried Star Trek into the ground, Then he got Star Wars. He nearly buried that into the ground too. The only thing that saved both franchises was when they went to tv and were out of his hands. And how Paramount is SO STUPID they are putting it back in his hands again?

Abrams does not get Trek. Nor does he care. He is ON RECORD as saying as much when Tarantino was possibly attached to Trek for 5 minutes and said he doesn’t get “Pine Trek” and Abrams said, “I don’t either, just do whatever you want”. Screw you dude. Normally I am a very nice person. But in this case? Seriously, screw you Abrams.

I do think it’s funny that you hate those movies more than I do? 😂

But I agree, Abrams doesn’t care about Star Trek just how much money he can make from it. I’m not naive I understand who makes it wants to make money off of it. You can do that and still care about it. Abrams just saw it as a way to push his new directing career that got him Star Wars and he did that franchise even dirtier in the end. What’s ‘great’ about JJ verse is that you can totally ignore it and not have it touch the real Trek IMO or the Trek I’m deeply devoted to and care about. Those movies are isolated from the bigger universe.

Definitely not the same with the Sequel Trilogy. Those movies are tied in to everything now.

And everyone seems to know Abrams is poison because no one is remotely suggesting that he should direct any of these movies. The guy hasn’t directed in 5 years and his other projects just keep dying so now is the shot to get back on the saddle but no one seems to be in a rush to have him direct anything these days.

I’m OK if he produces but stay far away from writing or directing or we get much worse schlock than STID or TROS as scary as that sounds. 🤮

I guess if he is just collecting a paycheck as a producer but stays as far away from creative control that would be ok lol.

And ya I agree with everything you said as per usual. But you mention the best thing about the kelvin movies was that they were completely separate from the Prime Universe. I agree 100%. But here’s the thing. That was Orci, not Abrams. By his own admission to Tarantino, he doesn’t even get it.

My feelings on Abrams, is he comes up with 4 or 5 “key” exciting scenes he wants to happen, puts them onto the writing staff and says I dont care how we get here, but I need to see these epic scenes.. plot be dam make it happen cappt’en!!

I’d like to see a Star Trek movie along the lines of “Prelude to Axanar” which was good for a fan-made film.

It’s a real stretch to call the Axanar a fan film. It was an unauthorized professional production.

For Spock’s sake! Not another bloody prequel, this is getting ridiculous now.

It is. But it also seems like the sequels belong to P+ more than the movies. More than anything else they need to end the Kelvin universe. Not with one last movie, just stop already. IMHO this movie will hysterically fail like Beyond did.

The chances of this (or probably any other Trek movie by JJ Abrams) getting made are zero, so you can relax.

I feel like they want to get these two movies out for the 60th anniversary of the franchise. Could this be the story of Captain Robau of the USS Kelvin before his eventual encounter with Nero’s ship. I remember hearing about them wanting to do a Robau show back when ST09 first came out.

That might be tough considering Chris Helmsworth would be hysterically out of reach for them.

And way too old at this point as well.

Yuppers that too lol

I don’t see nothing wrong with any of the reboot films. It was JJ who refused new blood into this fifty off yrs old franchise. There only misstep was into darkness. But it was vastly improved with Beyond..

They could do a SNW movie, it would be amazing.

Honestly I am down for more exploring of the Kelvin timeline/universe. Yes it is highly contested, but it does give us amazing visuals (I still absolutely love the Kelvin-prise design) as well as a non-prime universe to play in (new stories, new or familiar yet somewhat different characters).

I do still wish one day we’d get a deeper look at the TOS-movie era universe (TMP-VI), but aside from the occasional comic book or beta-canon novel, I don’t see it happening.

Hey to each their own. But I loathe the Kelvin-Prise design. Those nacelles were ridiculously large. And the fact that it was built on Earth and not in space makes it even less believable because that ship by design should have collapsed due to the weight of the nacelles and the pylons being no where near strong enough to support them.

I’m always amused that I read about people believing the starship Enterprise, in any configuration, is “believable”. It’s an artistic design, nothing more. While I’ve enjoyed it as such over the years, I can say with 100% certainty that if we ever do get out of our solar system someday, none of those ships will even remotely resemble the Enterprise.

Here is why I think it is believable. One, Roddenberry IIRC spoke with futurists when creating Star Trek and the enterprise. 2. The Enterprise has a very thoughtful design. People live in the saucer section of the ship. Engineering is in the, well, engineering hull of the ship. The nacelles which might create radiation are purposely placed as far away as possible from both.

The Enterprise was never designed to fly in an atmosphere of a planet (even if it did in TOS and Kelvin Trek). It was designed to be built and function solely in space.

Without it’s structural shields up, it’s design can not take the gravity of a planet pulling it apart due to it’s design.

In fact, NASA in real life hired Mike Okuda to design theoretical designs for a real life starship. And I know Okuda didn’t invent the OG Enterprise but that speaks to Trek’s starship design language.

Everything you mention in your first paragraph about the general design is still valid for the Kelvin redesign. You acknowledge in your second paragraph that the Enterprise was shown entering an atmosphere even in TOS. We’ve also seen other Federation starships enter atmospheres, e.g. Voyager. So that basically leaves your objection that the ship shouldn’t be built on the surface because the structures couldn’t support their weight. Two points to that: 1) “anti-gravity technology” and “structural integrity fields” exist in Trek canon. 2) The 2009 movie actually shows scaffolding supporting the ship under construction. Once construction is finished (and the scaffolding is removed) the ship should very well be able to support and lift off on its own. Starships may normally operate under no-gravity or low-gravity conditions but we’ve also often seen starships withstand much stronger gravitational forces than those on Earth’s surface. In fact, each time the ship accelerates or decelerates it experiences forces much stronger than Earth’s gravity.

I still think the worst design is the Kelvin A. Or at least as rendered looked too dreamlike and whispy. Maybe if we had a better look at her.

Very excited about Toby Haynes.

Much, much less excited about ‘expanding the Kelvinverse’. That part feels like a deliberate effort to finally wipe out TOS&TNG.

Paramount needs to upgrade and future-prood DS9&VOY.

Who cares about movies, give me Star Trek: Legacy!

I want a gritty, dark Star Trek movie with nudity. The more the better.

You want to see Picard naked? To each his own…

Star Trek: Nudity

Maybe we’ll get a p0rn star academy award – a stiffy?

Cause that went over SO WELL with Into Darkness.

Into Darkness is my favorite Trek movie.

I’ve only seen Into Dumbness once…in the theater and never again. There is so much wrong with it, you could write a thesis on it . It’s my second worst movie in the franchise after Nemesis.

But I’m not judging, I don’t think The Final Frontier is as bad as people say, but it’s pretty bad lol.

expanding on the universe is good idea at this point if staying in the Kelvin-verse. They’ve squandered that cast to the point where they are too expensive / busy to use so might as well branch out

Would love to see a STAR TREK origin movie about Captain Robert April, his wife, and crew at the start of the 1701 voyages.

I’d love to see a film or set of films based around the Earth Romulan war

I think it’s pre the opening scene of ST09. It’s gonna be a Romulan war movie. You could bring back Idris Elba and Scott Bakula and deage / age them up.

Oh good an origin story set before the origin story.

For Star Trek 4 they should do something special for the 60th Anniversary. It will be the last Kelvin Movie. Make it special. Have fun with it. Have a good entertaining story. Use some Legacy characters. If we are fortunate enough to have any of the TOS stars available for the 60th just do it. Paramount should market the history of the franchise this time.

How would they get Walter, Bill and George into the movie though, Deepfake?

Would have to be some cgi deaging magic. I just think they should do a better job than they did for the 50th anniversary. If they are able to do it i think it would be a nice touch.

Yeah thats what should be done (like Dr Who’s 50th), a big multiverse ‘Generations’ style movie for the 60th featuring the kelvin cast, deepfake ToS actors, even some TNG cast if possible with tons if ships from all eras (like Picard s3). Kind of what 50th anniversary movie should’ve been instead of attack of the robotic bee ships on some random space station

Absolutely. The Final Movie with the Kelvin cast could truly be epic. Paramount just doesn’t get it. I did enjoy Beyond however it totally failed to be the grand story they should have had for the 50th anniversary.

Exclusive: Paramount Executive meeting discussing the new Star Trek movie announcement

Head Studio Guy : We’re all on a sinking ship and Redstone wants us to pump up the stock and get a buyer fast before all of you start driving for Uber. So I got a great idea to get everybody excited to invest in the future of this studio!

Executive #1: Whatever it is sir we know we’re all going to love it!

(Executives 2-5 agrees): The rest of us agrees!

Head Studio Guy: I been thinking about this for hours and one idea I think we should do to get some juicy headlines is announce a new Star Trek movie!

(Confusion)

Executive #3: Um sir… didn’t we already announce a new Star Trek movie… like three years ago? And one before that one? And the another before that one? And the one before…?

Head Studio Guy: Yeah…and now we’re announcing another one! Think of all the nerds out there and how excited they will be that we will yet announce another movie! And maybe we will get an offer from Elon Musk to buy the company. Look how amazing he’s done with Twitter!

(All executives claps in unison): Brilliant sir!

Executive #4: What will this one be about?

Head Studio Guy: I was thinking we should have a clean slate. Start from the beginning and this time it will be an origin story! The fans love prequels! Can’t get enough of them. It can be a story about the origins of Star Trek! Huh???????

Executive #1: Didn’t we already do that with Enterprise?

Executive #2: What’s Enterprise?

Head Studio Guy: Don’t worry about it! Maybe it could be an origin story of Kirk and Dr. Spock then.

Executive #4: Um I think the other movies already did that. And isn’t Strange New Worlds kind of doing that too?

Executive #2: Is that one with the kids on the ship with the hologram lady?

Head Studio Guy: No. And we don’t talk about that show ever again. Do you hear me? NEVER AGAIN! But OK, fine it won’t be Kirk and pointy ears guy, we’ll come up with another origin story then. We’ll hire some writer and director and let them come up with something.

Executive #5: Maybe we can see if Tarantino is interested again?

(Room bursts into laughter)

Head Studio Guy (wipes tear): Ah good one Executive #5. We trolled the nerds hard with that one. Harder than the Shareholder event thing with Abrams. That announcement trended for months though. No way would that dumpster fire ever get a greenlight. Good times. Anyway I have a title too. We’re going to call it, you ready.. ..Star Trek: Origins!

(All executives clapping): “Brilliant! Very original! You the man sir!!!”

Executive #1: Actually didn’t a Wolverine movie already have that title 15 years ago? We don’t want to confuse our audience. They might think it’s related.

Head Studio Guy: Great point #1! Yeah horrible title. Whoever came up with it should be fired.

Executives: Yeah bad! Very bad! Boo!

Head Studio Guy: We’ll leave that to the new writer and director then. But it looks like we have a game plan now! We’re off and running now boys!

Executive #4: Um…sir? Are we going to actually MAKE this one this time?

Head Studio Guy (hard shrug): Who the bleep knows? But the nerds will be stoked over the announcement. That should keep them happy for six months at least until we sell this puppy. Make it so!

Executives: (High fives and chest bumps!)

ANOTHER prequel?

But this time it’s a prequel of a prequel. They are really spoiling us.

I’ve generally enjoyed the Kelvin movies.But It is hard to get excited about the repots of a new one with all previous reporting going nowhere.

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